0:00 Introductions and memories of Forest School
1:40 Prep school experiences
8:42 Teachers who made lessons engaging
15:08 Balancing school opportunities
25:57 Sport and school life
30:18 Facilities and opportunities
32:28 Advice and reflections
41:08 Keeping curiosity alive

Introductions and memories of Forest School

[Music] The Education Lounge podcast [Music] so joining us today is james um so I’m john this is project james and we’re talking about um time at Forest school which is an independent school located in wolf and forest and it’s selective and there’s a fee paying school we’re just going to talk about our experiences there so james if you can introduce yourself And tell us a bit about what you’re doing at the moment sure um about myself well at the moment I’m working for medics academy and have done for about three years now and um

But uh my pathway took a few a few strange turns I guess you’d say I was living abroad for a number of years um freelancing so and then backtrack before that I went To university for biology and so part of what I loved about forest school was the um some of the some of the biology teachers and kind of facilities they had and that all kind of plays into obviously the decisions that I’m made After but um yeah that gives a basic background okay so um I kind of got a different perspective um because he’s been at forests for a long time age age seven

Prep school experiences

Year three yeah year three all the way up to sixth form uh what did you well you got a different perspective on that how did you tell us a little bit about the prep school um the prep school so Obviously boys and boys and girls are separate in in prep school obviously in secondary we start to you know have breaks and things together but classes are still separate um prep school I did a lot of um that’s where I started music actually it’s one of the good things about forest Is it’s not all fully academic see there’s academic side and then there’s uh the music side obviously there’s a drama score so we did quite a lot of that sort of thing in primary probably more so than secondary even

Everyone here is into music yeah so um yeah forrest has a very um good reputation in terms of music um there’s a lot of orchestras and there’s also a lot of opportunities to there’s a big music center as well Um yeah they’ve done it recently because I was playing piano mostly not involved in school but I was Doing it kind of you know not strictly but I was devoted to it outside of school but there were a few times when I snuck into the main you know after the after the music kind of new facilities were built they had a piano up in the top yamaha

That sounded so beautiful yeah that I would sometimes just sneak in there to play a little bit yeah although they knocked down the squash courts I was disappointed yeah yeah that’s what yeah that’s what used to be though yeah remember I was devastated I thought you were I wasn’t actually a squash player so yeah that that made me a bit sad because that was one of the reasons why I went what was the forest yeah I was like squash courts and then I discovered it it had been taken away um yeah and yeah no one else really Played so no but we got to um I was playing badminton and they had the tennis courts and things as well so yes it’s like that excellent facilities generally yeah what did you think about so initially entering obviously it’s a bit

Different for project but entering into year seven mm-hmm where were you before just snares properly I was this next book prep yeah which um yeah that was like a standard uh it’s for for for my family it’s like a it’s a Standard thing because it’s all right because uh not so much forest but for cert for for sure uh snowboard prep because I think a great grandma or someone was was um um headmistress at that and we sort of It’s a very small school but the mathesons are like you know they have to go there first it’s quite a few wasn’t there quite even from our year yeah yeah that’s true yeah quite a lot of notebook pro went to the forest it’s like half the class I didn’t come

From a prep I came from a state primary yeah so it was extremely different yeah but it was it didn’t compare in any way was it like really really large uh classes or just the the field yeah We’re at about 40 news club wow whoa yeah where was this again orders book it was pretty pretty big classes but Well I guess the main thing was it was just academically there was nothing really going on so I I remember we we just kind of drifted around um and then there were a few there were quite a few intelligent

Um children at oldest book but um there was nothing really challenging new there you were just kind of happy just to to coast through Life and and then when when I went to forest it was a shock because we didn’t really have homework and then I went to forest and it was like three hours homework a day and it was just ridiculous time management yeah so I’d like I’d finish homework at like 11. yeah and that’s not including like music practice yeah and all the after school stuff yeah so initially it was a bit of a shock yeah yeah it seemed to adjust pretty well eventually it took about three years

Um yeah but to actually adjust to um the pace and actually catch up because I felt like quite behind quite a lot of subjects yeah I feel like I end up being behind the subjects I like the least Oh so the ones I’m actually interested in yeah you’ve kind of put you kind of put more effort into those anyway but you’re more um you’ve given more unusual taste in some certain subjects they’re not purely They’re not mainly academic no so like graphic design yeah I loved like the whole dt center at forest was one of my favorite things the music center yeah um and then when we went to sixth form they had you know we did music tech

And then they built that whole music tech studio and we got to like learn how to do all that sort of stuff I don’t think that’s there anymore no I don’t think there was not enough not enough interest I mean now in our music tech class we had like five five people yeah we hadn’t filled it up and it is an expensive room Yeah the very expensive room yeah yeah that doesn’t surprise me too much and you can learn you can learn music tech on pretty much any laptop these days yeah I mean I think I learned more about music tech after yeah when I started getting into that sort of stuff after and then when I did When I was at school but it was it was good to have that while it was there I remember switching to music tech last minute because I thought that I wanted to do history but when I took my first history lesson in sick form I realized that

It was the teacher that I was that got me excited about that subject it wasn’t the subject itself backing away really quick because I’m not gonna I don’t want um yeah so it was uh mr tymon was my history teacher in GCSE Um but I didn’t have them for sick form so I switched but yeah that was one of those inspiring teachers that was a hell of a history department yeah that was a very good I didn’t miss the brand it’s about he was a legendary teacher

Teachers who made lessons engaging

Basically um he could really pain he could really relate um events in the past to the present and connect them connect the dots really well and then he made it painted the picture Um you know he painted the passing color [Music] and it’s quite quite special and also he was always really good with feedback um so you always felt like it was actionable feedback You could do something about improving your grade um history is one of those things where it can either be just rote learning of dates and be as kind of dry dry and not applicable as you can imagine and then

On the other side of this talk well it could be the complete reverse because you can connect it with things happening today as you said and draw some real kind of knowledge from it yeah forest they focus quite a lot especially at a level they focus quite on quite complicated Ideas so um interpretation not just interpretation is the more important important part and that’s really what you do at university more and so just like actually thinking and Considering evidence not just going with what’s what you perceive to be the truth yeah sort of delving a bit deeper and analyzing sources once I get back and take we’ve got we’re talking about how um how it was

Entering year seven because it was different for me like I had obviously had to take you had to take an exam but it for somebody that was in primary it was sort of like okay you’re automatically going into secondary because you’re already here yeah but that wasn’t the case for you Too so clients want to know what was the exam like like what was the entry process like I don’t remember it that well blocked out I don’t remember too many details apart from Just being really obviously impressed with the scale kind of overwhelmed by the scale of it all and then just being really grateful for that that little registration group where I was like you know where you just make friends with the person you’re next to and that lasts for at least a couple months even if you know

You you’re you’re not compatible at all that guy is your friend because he’s next to you and yeah in uh registration class yeah it was alphabetical yeah so um and then there was there were those mysterious other groups You know like I was bishops what were you oh these are the houses houses yeah so it was like there’s form groups and then there’s also houses so there was house so how’d it go oh was it all the houses were mixed up in The beginning was it yeah you had forms like we were at like one hour two r3r yeah and then when you get uh later on you you’re like is it fourth year maybe where you have your registration in your houses rather than right as of as a

Class yeah I think if I remember correctly that’s what it was yeah yeah anyway whatever it was so the form groups then before the houses yeah the form the form groups where you’ve you form your initial friendships yeah and stuff like that And they’ve kind of got a bit of a competition between the groups yeah yeah like another focus um but there’s then there’s also house competitions too so yeah I did a few of those competitions really the thing that I noticed is the main Major difference between primary school and forest um seeing as we had that in forest as well our primary we had we only had four houses and they were slightly different we had we still had chonions australians doctors

Something like bardels I think and then there was a yellow one green red yellow and purple which was called something else that they were still happy with copeland maybe copeland because because coatland was like I think he was like one of the he’s connected we’re not connected to the fandom but he’s pretty early on yeah but I explained how they didn’t always follow through guys is I think guys is the oldest house we’re not sure yeah but we used to by saying we still had that competition In primary school as well we didn’t have like house music and house drama and all that but you did have like an end of the year cup and we just had boys first girls basically and boys versus other boys yeah just probably just you know very silly competitions not the f the

First thing I remember is at primary school it wasn’t really cool to be smart but it wasn’t like it was not it was never good to be a nurse I think it was the other way around from what I found yeah what the coolness Switched from being smart to being I think so yeah in from forest anyway there was that competition to be like top of the class and who’s cleverer than who and all that in primary in secondary I feel like that sort of switched around yeah I guess That’s just the age group I don’t think that I don’t I don’t know about that well you had a different primary school uh experience there was there was definitely that wasn’t well actually to be honest like forrest was just competitive in every way like it was competition um like

Academically I know it’s like competitively in sport yeah it just ramped up so much it was so different from primary school though that’s a good thing because I feel like if you have a healthier competition it pushes each I didn’t know I was good in anything until I went to forest sounds it was a good thing then yeah because because I I kind of knew okay so I’m relatively good at english or maths or whatever compared to other people in primary school but Um you don’t realize your limitations and your strengths until you have actual competition about it sort of competitive element I mean I would say like there’s a healthy balance and I think forrest

Balancing school opportunities

Was good at that maintaining that balance where I’ve I’ve heard other schools um which aren’t so well-rounded they’re more academic yeah um that can be actually Not very good you can have the reverse effect if you push it yeah I think two four yeah like places I know he loves and I heard bancroft was quite academically competitive more so than foreign anyway yeah I mean but yeah I’ve heard I’ve Heard that of the three main ones in this area so on bancroft um wow well the main independent schools so tig well bancroft

Um I think forest has a slightly better reputation in terms of pastoral care there’s a bit more supportive atmosphere but the other two have maybe a bit more of a academic slang well down to that chaplin Yeah the diamond at the gem we know what we call him just golden hearted man [Laughter] Yeah yeah sorry carry online yeah it felt it felt a little bit like hogwarts school when I first arrived because you go through like these these hallways especially the one you know going from

Uh the sixth form area past the chapel and pass the jackpot on your left and then down that corridor with some like biology labs or whatever to the right or something like that and then yeah you turn around and go around again and then eventually you Reach the like the drama school and it’s just felt yeah it felt like an ancient corridor I like you could turn around and see someone petrified from a from a you know dragon snake and you know learn that it’s from underneath the ground and it wouldn’t surprise me like That makes sense that fits I’m pretty sure the um forest was considered like that the uh the dining hall oh really I think that was actually considered from the for the film that wasn’t surprising yeah and there was somebody there was somebody from our school there was somebody from our school that

Was uh in the film an extra you know younger than us but well yeah think about how much I mean it was essentially a church yeah that that dining hall but just just just the hall we like probably fit like five stories In that thing before you reach them yeah and you had all the old paintings another huge yeah like roof and everything yeah so as a newbie that was definitely impressive yeah the project was just part of the furniture yeah although you know what the the big thing I noticed from moving from primary To secondary is like when you turn up there in primary and you’re like you’re like this big everything is massive yeah but primaries kind of kept into one corner of the school right yeah so you share the dining hall and the music and all of that

And then when you go to secondary you realize there’s like another whole half of the school you didn’t know existed it just like opens up even more so that was quite a shock yes I remember trying to get from class to class I remember just running around and trying to reach the next class in time Yeah it was just like impossible to reach the class in time and then you get told off for being being late like you are let out by like 11 or 10 o’clock and your other class starts at 10 o’clock and then the other side of the schools and you’re like Tiny and your bag is massive run across the entire squad that’s exactly right yeah that was quite funny the group would fragment and then they’d be like the stragglers at the end and then the super keen people at the front

Class on top yeah and I was kind of in the middle it was a completely different thing because being so used to just staying in the same classroom every day and then that first day when you’re sitting there in your form thing and you’re like and they’re like okay here’s your timetable and you’re like What what why is this bit different to that bit it’s like you have to change rooms yeah having a timetable that was that was a shock for me like well and obviously it’s me so um I I didn’t have a timetable by the End of the first week I’d follow people around oh yeah when you when the timetables differed to everyone else around you that was that was way worse but it was fine it was fine in the past it was fine in the first year first you could just follow the crowd but like

But not even that like first year you’re you’re you’re in your form so most people are going with you when you start making friends outside of your form and you’re with you see them in between lessons and they’re going some they’re going somewhere else and I realize I’m supposed to be with those people I like break time yeah Who’s in my class yeah it’s a whole thing and then you have to because I had my music lessons there as well so then you’ve got to fit all of that into all of the other stuff as well yeah I remember the number of books as well I remember people actually falling Like people because obviously that big the bags are heavier than the person so people actually like turtle shells and like fall backwards and like actually yeah bigger than the child the books are heavier than the child that’s carrying them [Music]

But it made us tougher I suppose yeah um yeah um probably what about some of the bad things um I mean I was quite happy with all of it but the bad thing would probably be some of the teachers weren’t what’s the word like they weren’t like as enthusiastic about relaying your concepts rather more more Like just here’s a list of things and this is what you’re doing I think it’s like any school there’s there’s good there’s amazing teachers and then there’s there’s teachers that are I don’t think I had any really awful teachers um

That made it impossible to learn the subject or something like that yeah I probably wouldn’t want to name anybody yeah there were what’s up there were a couple chemistry yeah french Physics we all know we’re talking about that yeah there was well there was a french teacher that I had a crush on that everyone told me was boring so I’m not sure if you’re thinking of her or someone else I highly doubt you’d have had a crush on This person if you did we’re gonna have to have some other conversations all mine’s flying around at that age you know you know you can’t can’t judge but um that yeah

Yeah even even the teachers that that are just are just doing it to kind of that you know as you say there’s no heart in it they’re just kind of going through the list even they were usually good for you know making fun of and stuff so they Brought their own yeah they brought their own kind of benefit to the whole situation there was no one who was an absolute horror show it made the class more funny but yeah you learn less yeah what was the correlation between the two things I wouldn’t say there was any teacher That didn’t know their subject that’s true everyone knew their subject they just didn’t always know how to communicate it yeah sometimes sometimes if you’ve got someone who’s extreme like some of the teachers were like doctors and so far and very well educated and then

Sometimes they struggled a little bit I think relaying the concept in a way that was meaningful for some children essentially like yeah that’s what we say when we teach here like you have to make it relatable you’ve yeah you’ve got to kind of speak bring it down to their level um Some people could do that very well it’s quite a big difference a lot if you think about chemistry there’s one chemistry teacher who would do experiments and like show us things exploding and like burning people’s crisps and sweets and things to show how much sugar there was and making it like that’s relatable like You’re actually like have you you’ve got them from the tuck shop and you burn it in front of you and show you how much sugar is in it and that kind of stuff sparks you know so you remember that yes but then you have the opposite side where different chemistry teacher who’s my

House master didn’t yeah a different chemistry teacher wouldn’t do any experiments really um and he’d just give you worksheet after worksheet and just talk at you it’s like you can see the do the exact same subject I’ve been saying two different teachers I did quite well yeah I did quite well In chemistry I don’t know how I did but like I don’t know yeah I don’t know how I I didn’t understand chemistry but it is somehow osmosis you know I observed absorbed it it’s biology I love biology but the other sciences I didn’t have didn’t have really any time for see I really enjoyed physics as a as a subject but when it was taught to me at school it didn’t really it made me like it less

I remember being frustrated by I think it was must have been the physics teacher when he couldn’t explain to me what gravity was and I was like but what is it I stayed in after class and he kept describing the effects and like he was a good teacher and everything not not it was just me being a little you know little kind of pernickety guy but I was Like but what is it is [Laughter] it’s pretty much the exact same question as well yeah exactly like okay I get the effects of it but what what is it I think that’s an important But I think that’s what differentiates a lot of foreign students from other students is that they they inquire about why and what like not just um the parts pass the exam but

To unders understand why that’s the case um I definitely like to think so we’re awesome there was always competition between like forest and what bancroft and chevrolet specifically

Sport and school life

Yeah especially in sport I don’t know if you guys did that much sport no really I did a little bit I did hockey and basketball and one rubbish football game Well they made a group c or something I did that for one for one game I did I played football and I did athletic as well and yeah like it was quite exciting um how first of all how many opportunities there were to Meet other schools like go to other schools and compete um there was also like obviously you can get you can get scouted or picked up by an athletic club um and that kind of thing which was also

Also good um and then I went to places that were quite surprising like I was surprised that I ended up going there so places like eaton hampton school and you know some of these big independent schools That I wouldn’t have got the chance to do otherwise um and I mean that was possible in in multiple things like at one point I went to um I think I went to hampton school to Play chess what for forest yeah like I was trying to hide from it’s a bit weird story I sort of hired from um the athletics team so I was like a bit injured but I was

I was trying to I was playing it off were you real injured I was not playing it up a bit because I I just couldn’t be bothered to run um I know so this is like when you because you have to pick your sport don’t you pick sports at the beginning of the term for your mondays and your wednesdays yeah and I think yeah chess was one of them because it’s Chatting it’s like a chess is that what it was I picked chess and then you had to play chess for yeah and yeah I ended up playing yeah I ended up going by being taken around to play chess and I just remember I’m not that good at chess um I somehow ended up second seed I don’t know how like I think it’s just because no one else did chess um yeah I don’t play well done yeah I don’t know what something I mean

I managed to get a draw against someone yeah another I was quite proud of that forcing the draw I just played really defensively um but yeah I wouldn’t have had that chance to I think a lot of other schools They might not have invested so much in until the breadth breadth of the out um curriculum outside on the academic curriculum especially places like um ilford county yeah somewhere like that they They don’t really do that as much um so because they’ve spoken about the music um facilities but there was obviously quite a lot of sports sports facilities as well you have the you have that big um the

Big field when you you kind of walk through the forest and you play the pond you walk down through the forest and up this little hill and then you’re in this massive field like football on the yacht track yeah long jump thing at the back I don’t know I don’t know how he is now but um and then and there was a lovely Athletics hall and and anytime we would do athletics in it as in just drag out the crash mats you know get up the springboards well the sportsmanship yeah sports hall yeah that’s so much fun there’s a lot of stuff in there but now they’ve got Like obviously silver since since we’ve left there’s been it’s been upgraded a lot and and now now it’s very fancy I think we got upgraded the year or the year before we left maybe yeah so we didn’t really have that much

Of a chance to use those facilities but we still we use we actually use them now we still go and play badminton and stuff right now I don’t know so it’s a it’s so then you’ve got towards the goal score there was like the uh

Facilities and opportunities

The qriket runs in the tennis courts as well I think the only thing that we complained about was the swing that old swimming pool the old swimming pool was like full of spiders always spiders occasionally a little like uh or a large Yeah like plaster it’s just floating around it wasn’t very airtight at that place when it rained outside it rained in sight you’d be chewing up wet because you’ve just been been in this barely heated pool yeah and then you’re standing right next To a big visible crack in the side and the wind’s gushing in and you’re like I hate this yeah I hate everything about this I mean sometimes we swim in the winter as well like yeah it’s on rotation and then you’d you’d hate doing you you just hoped that

You wouldn’t get swimming in winter no I must have been here because I remember it being a relief going in I don’t think that was easy it was it was it was a little bit but it wasn’t like or maybe you just got so cold in the wind and rain You know half naked was like hell it was definitely worth especially yeah I just remember being a relief when you finally got in but then you had to dodge all the plasters you know make sure you don’t fly yeah you end up eating insects and things when you’re swimming along I mean I can like at the start of yes in the year southern I couldn’t really swim so like now I can swim really well I think I remember you saying it’s because you’re a solid muscle so you couldn’t float that was your your reason that was my

Excuse yeah but I just remember like first like they just made a swim like as in I could have no choice but to swim they were like all right you’ve got to do you’ve got to do these lengths I usually just go around the side so Like just hold the railing and then I just had to swim so they made me swim with my terrible technique um but then eventually like you what I found with forest is that there’s a lot of people willing to help you um yeah and give you

Advice and reflections

Advice and that I’ve heard from a lot of other people that that’s not the case in a lot of other schools so like um so it was talking about ilford county yeah and how like yeah you you can’t Really um sometimes people aren’t willing to share um how to do something it’s very competitive in that way they’re kind of like oh I’ve got to keep the secret so I remain on top oh you mean you mean fellow peers yeah Oh I thought you meant like yeah teachers too but like these are mentee but then I thought it’s interesting that it’s it was with the peers with the students though because it means it was a culture basically yeah that we weren’t aware of well I guess there were also more people

In the class as well he had more competition yeah it’s like you know well we’ve got a friend called chris and he was he he struggled a little bit with chemistry and you know there’s will And he’s really good he was like really good at chemistry and science and he was like helping chris out right try not even in sort of early on so yeah um and I think that’s quite different from some other schools it depends on it Depends on the person when you stay even at five you still get the um you know you know when you come out of an exam and everyone’s like oh that was really easy I didn’t do any revision or like yeah I think that became more of a thing I think later on yeah that became a thing by later on I think it was just

I think initially everyone’s just trying to survive like trying to um I don’t know everyone’s quite nice compared to remember remember gallagher saying that but with him I’m pretty sure it was real I can imagine it properly was real with him He was he was the most kind of transformation that I in our friend group between when he was younger and when he yeah he just came home one summer and he was a he was like just this personality had popped out of popped out of the the the shell and Uh quite a big change wasn’t it it was a big change that’s weird you never know how you’re perceived when you come back one summer it was literally a summer wasn’t it yeah it was

Yeah it was just all about studying studying studying and then he was like oh get to that you know just became super relaxed we could talk about teachers I suppose yeah so um you’ve already mentioned a couple like your history teachers yeah I’d too I think that were Made well three there were major sources of ins inspiration um it was like mr brown um even though I didn’t I didn’t go on to study history but I think everything that he taught me to view Helped me quite a lot of university so like how to actually write an essay that kind of thing learning I think history is a great subject for um learning how to actually write a paper

Um and that kind of helped me later on and then and also evaluating sources he helped me quite a lot with that too um and then there was you know mr stone yeah I never had him as a teacher but yeah Like I learned a lot in maths for mr stone compared to like I was really struggling on maths right and I got quite good at it but I I was in set three for maths in year nine and that year nine class Helped me a lot I think you and that class and yields you also the talk about mr stone and we moved up to miss fenditi’s club we moved into second time I wasn’t in I went the other way I was in step one

And then I ended up in set two with you guys yeah yeah yeah like he helped me kind of get over algebra because that was a big if you can’t grasp my algebra You you kind of struggle with more advanced concepts so that helped me a lot and then there was mr mclendon latin um obviously I did I did philosophy in classics for my My bachelor’s degree and [Music] um he taught classes but he also taught latin I think it’s quite a strong influence because I had him for a long time um and I I think he just had a way with

Boys he was like just very good with rapport yeah like really likable latin I think I might have had him in like the first first year maybe I think I remember just messing around In mrs stein’s class there was a lot of messing around that happened I I thought the teaching was that there’s any explain things really something see I I was messing around a bit because I wasn’t the biggest fan but so it’s interesting how different People get different stuff from the same teacher well that is true yeah like learning styles isn’t that exactly yeah we notice that when we teach as well it’s just like sometimes you’ve just got a rapport with a certain tutor miss van dizzi’s class also best around

The next set up but that was just because I was next to chris and we started really here now and we discovered that you could shine the we were next to the next to the window back left because we when we were next to oh yeah yeah yeah and I annoyed him quite a lot [Music] that’s a whole other story he got me kicked out of the class yeah it’s great yeah I was in step one then I got moved to set two and I had to sit next to him yeah and he kept talking at me and talking to me like he normally does and um it fell up and said like I’m trying to just I’m trying to do something stop talking to me and miss van dijk told me off and kicked me down a sec for telling him to be quiet

That keeps you down the set yeah oh man so I ended up going from set one to set three in the space of a few months like how did this happen and then amending I ended up in a in a math class where I won’t name the teacher but it was it was just all kinds of Craziness it was all those sorts of people that would throw stink bombs and throw chairs and throw stuff out the window like it was it was that level of class because a teacher he knew he knew his subjects but he could not control the class Right yeah and then you had to set four class literally on the other side of the wall yes there’s a lot of back and forth between them like people getting kicked out and talking outside and yeah to go from like there’s no class like miss from disney’s glass to that was like a show which was relatively focused

It was a complete shock it didn’t deserve it [Laughter] yeah okay so why don’t we round this off um uh so what does obviously the Motto um do you remember the school month oh don’t test me on that uh in uh having a strong heart using Forests sort of so we embodied that from there picked all right I was going to say a robust chest yeah well yeah because like you can see how everything comes from latin yeah I was so not into it as a kid but

It’s one of those things when you get older you appreciate a little bit and just pick tools okay chest robot robust maybe strong heart that’s quite a good that’s quite a good point I think I don’t think I always made the most of what was on offer And I only realized that at this age and it’s really hard thing to communicate to a kid yeah maybe impossible unfortunately is quite a weird paradox that you don’t like now it was always stuff you wanted to you

Keeping curiosity alive

Want to do and then if it’s not but maybe there’s a time and a place for things I mean the good thing about this day and age is you can start learning stuff later on yeah so more important thing is to have that is to you know if you if you get a chance to instill something in kids it’s just that Um the enjoy like to to take the chore out of learning if you can so they don’t lose that love of learning that they naturally have and then if they don’t care about latin when they’re a kid that doesn’t matter because hopefully they take on that love of learning something else yeah when They’re older and want to learn it it’s like I I hate biology so much that’s good I I appreciate it a lot more now yeah in fact like like I I I it’s like one of those subjects where you need to you need so much knowledge

So you need to it’s a factory factory I better apply how does a cell work this is crazy but then it is so It’s it is obviously extremely relevant um and and I understand it so much more now um than I did when I did then um but I think maybe maybe you didn’t see I think when I first went to forest I Saw more of the opportunity than you did because you’d have been there I’d already been there yeah that was all you that was kind of all you knew um but I kind of knew that having come from state primary school

That wasn’t a good school um [Music] at the time um it it really you know you know we it was quite um it was a very stimulating environment for like I knew that I it made a big difference so I had to I Knew how and I started from behind as well so I knew I had to work really hard to actually catch up yeah I can see that in hindsight now but it goes back to that thing like at the time you don’t really see it Yeah okay yeah so thanks for joining us yeah yeah very welcome it’s a pleasure um yeah and we’ll leave it there for today yeah until next time

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