0:00 – Intro
1:25 – David Game College
3:54 – Initial Thoughts and Our Real-World Uses
9:35 – AI in the Classroom
15:45 – The Human Element
25:25 – Can AI Fully Replace Teachers?
33:25 – The Ethical Side
48:27 – Interesting Statistics
54:02 – Our Opinions (We Disagree)

Intro

you go into a field shoot a cow its mates will go what’s happening to be fair I can imagine you doing the same thing AI in the classroom is at all not the main thing I think it’s more than just at all I think it it’s truly transformative what people want I don’t they will matter in the long term because the fact is is there’s money init just like every Tech invention that’s ever been has been used to abuse power this idea of identity will become something we have to Grapple with more and more am I going to be scared about [Music]this the education Loungepodcast Okay so we’ve decided that today’s topic is going to be about Ai and we have done an episode before withGeorgia last year on the topic of AI so why are we doing this again well therate of Chang in AI is so quick that I think if warrants are revisiting everymaybe not a couple of months but maybe six months to a year because it exponential yeah it will we’re on thatcurve right now and it will become more and more important as we yeah move through so butbut today we’re going to speak specifically about AI within within like the classroom recently we saw an article

David Game College

about David game college which is a private college I think it it’s like a levels that sort of thing mhm um andthey were and it’s obviously private institution and they brought in some amixed reality classroom so essentially um they’re using AI topersonalize students experiences and S of give them a better educationalexperience I don’t know much about like how this will work and obviously they’ll keep yeah so so is it an AI That’s doingthe actual teaching so I think they’re using VR headsets and they’re yeah sothere is an AI sort of teaching them and taking them through different topics and that kind of thing but is it is it fullyjust that or is there like a teacher there as well I am I imagine there’sthere’s someone that they can collaborate with who who’s human to but would that be like a technician or wouldit be teacher it it might be I I don’t know like I I’m not too sure but I guessit’s I guess it’s um at the moment a mixture right but I I’m not 100% sure Ithink it’s pretty pretty I’d say like 90% they’re taught by this Ai and okaythat’s more than I yeah it’s more than I thought it’d be they’re paying 27,000 a year it is a private college so they aresort of paying for that right um I actually had uh so I know someone whoactually went to that college um to do maths I think and well do her a levelsthere so yeah um I know of the place butthis is the first time it’s ever been in implemented so AI in the classroom andyeah students actually paying to take that course interesting yeah yeah not surehow feel about it yeah well obviously this is I suppose they’re paying 27,000they’re going to have a unique experience the first yeah I guess it’s like a first trial sort of thing kind ofexciting to begin with and then we’ll they’ll see in a year whether it actually pays off and see what thestudents learning experience will be like so at the moment there are there

Initial Thoughts and Our Real-World Uses

are problems in our education system but other systems too it’s not just the education it’s alsoHealthcare um things like that and the idea I think betweenAIS with AI is that it can maybe cut costs in a lot of these areas if you’reable to because it’s scalable right um and if you’re able to scale these systems you can make it easier forteachers as the first thing potentially replace teachers um in some cases yesthis is this is why I think I mean I mean at the moment at least that Ai andTech in general is still a allall yeah it’s still a all and it can help makethe lives of these people easier yeah I don’t think they’re ready to replace thepeople themselves so I remember talking to Juba like on this trip to Dubaipodcast available somewhere up there yeah um it’s very interesting obviouslyvery experienced in in teaching and he was talking about how he’s using he’s using AI more and more and in in his uhso so stuff yeah planning uh setting comprehensions like even I’m using itmore and more and more and more all the time and it I can see it’s verytransformative in that sense and it is reducing workload it’s reducing workloadit’s kind of reducing thought to an extent yeah that’s something I’m a little worried about cuz I I can tellthat sometimes I’m a little lazy with yeah the example I always go back to is when I first started driving I coulddrive across the country with a map maybe not even a map I’d find where I need to go road signswhatever the old at said yeah or you look at it beforehand online and thenyou yeah and you could remember the whole route and I drove like London toDeon without without yeah whatever and you know Google Maps all all the AppleMaps whatever you use I now find myself using it for like the shortestJourneys yeah so like if you take if you if you it’s not so much the technologyit’s more the human element like we we will take the path of leastresistance that’s that’s human nature yeah we’re intrinsicly lazy we are yeah so if you extrapolate that exampleto and that’s just Maps right extrapolate that to something as huge as AI thought generally thought generallythat I can see that being a problem yeah um yeah cuz I I mean with with the themaps thing it feels more like a tool but in ai’scase it seems to be it’s I think it’s more than just a all I think it it’struly transformative where it can go it’s it’s we’re trying to replace thehuman element with something artificial and that is cu intelligence itself is Imean I can’t think of one thing that humans do better than any any otheranimal we’re terrible at most things like compared to most animals yeah butendurance and intellect they’re the two yeah well we can we we can we’re bipedaland we can run for a long period of time yeah so we can catch game which isquicker which is quicker than us like after a long period of time but just ofa side note my um I having a conversation with my um personal trainer on Monday and we were talking about thisnot AI but we were talking about the endurance aspect of humans he said like I think they were maybe on Joy Rogan orsomething anyway he was talking about this tribe of uh people in Africa thatdon’t use Spears or whatever else they hunt their like animal whatever animal it is over like 100 miles 500 Mileswhatever it is they just Chase it and it is faster to begin with but eventuallyit gets tired yeah and it gives up after how many hours and it dies I’m trying to think of the tribe and then they theythat’s their food the Massi is that what you the is it Kenyan Kenyan tribe itmight be yeah I think it might be yeah so but yeah like that’s it’s endur endurance and intellect yeah and twothings what is it did you know that women are well they’re generally slowerthan men over short distances but if you take it to the ultra marathon levelwomen start to like it’s a ridiculous number of miles it’s like 400,000 orwhat or 400 miles yeah not 400,000 like 400 miles or something then women canactually have more endurance over that that period so so like them obviouslymen are like much much quicker over short distances if you think back it’s to do with hunting isn’t it yeah butlike why because you have to Sprint to chase down but then why why why do women have that much endurance over that maybeit’s pain tolerance it could be it could be to do with um like the pregnancy thing so thefact that they go through child birth and thus they’ve got higher pain tolerance but I don’t know I don’t umthat’s off the point I just thought it was interesting yeah well let’s talk about the human

AI in the Classroom

aspect the um AI in the classroom is at all not the main thingso things like um personalized reports or adaptivelearning platforms um administrative tasks likewe spoke about those are the things it can replace to Aid the human that’s involved in thisprocess have you seen um some of the things are doing in China with this noam I going to be scared about this come all right so they are surve so obviously there’s a lot of surveillance in Chinaanyway they do have cameras in classrooms and they’re using they’re utilizing AI torecognition well they yeah that that amongst other things they can it’s it’s a lot more comp they can tell like howmuch concentration a student has on oh know I have heard that yeah yeah yeah yeah so I can see it sort of I I can seehow far this can go cuz we like to yeah but I don’t think that’s the way to do it I thinkthat’s um potentially well yeah like the you thinkabout some of the kids in our school who are falling asleep in the lessons that that one’s got zeroconcentration yeah um no but I I sort of see it’s like useful if you know ifsomeone appears to be paying attention but to the teacher but but there’snothing in the eyes yeah no no is in children have that like they have umzone out essentially exactly and especially if they’ve got something like if they got ADHD or or um sometimeswhat’s it called uh they suffer you know micro seizures so they’re like Min seizuresand you can’t necessarily tell that they’re actually having a seizure but they they can actually be having aseizure and then not it’s not clear so I can see it being helpful in that regardyeah in the health aspect yeah yeah but I can see it being abused completelywhich it will be just like every Tech invention that’s ever been has been used to abuse power get data you know allthat sort of stuff and then we’ve got um we’ve got Google Classroom as well that’s been around for a while well Isuppose lingo as well that’s been around for quite a while you’ve got obviously the ability with AI to process a hugeamount of data that a teacher couldn’t possibly process because it was just too much information there’s too much goingon and that’s often what teachers are talking about or complaining about so du is like how can I manage my 30 35children or whatever in my class because I don’t know like I I I don’t have theassistance and then you’ve got the possibility of an AI assistant being able to take in ridiculous amounts ofdata process that pass that information to the teacher and then improve learningso it’s not all necessarily Insidious but no no I no you know itcould be but it can be used that way yeah because as soon as as soon as you take create that data and stuff like that then you can create a model teacherthen you can you know replace yeah I have seen um cuz obviously we make likeeducational videos where we like sit here and we go through some verbal reasoning some maths whatever we do umand with us delivering to to the camera um so I’ve seen different programs nowwhere there’s an AI that does it for you yeah and it’ll probably do it betterthan us because it would and it’s it’s it’s you can tell it’s an AI but onlyjust about like if I was to give it to like my nan she’d probably think it was real like it’s that it’s that level ofwell you’ve seen like those deep fakes which is the probably the worst thing that is the worst like as in I the WillSmith one it’s where it started well you can or what just imagine the situation if you’re like your your mom or somesomeone gets a phone call from you you and it’s like Mom I need like £5,000um or what I haven’t got this and then you know you could it can even youcan take that fraud to a whole another level you can like clone the phone number you can do all kinds of stuff sodon’t get any ideas but but but it’s just it’s just incredible because obviously scam thescam Industries well you saw how many scam calls I got yesterday I just alone yesterday yeah this this getting out ofhand it will it will get worse and worse and worse worse and we’re going to have it’s going to be hard to like this ideaof identity will become something we have to Grapple with more and more umyeah teachers also could lose obviously their positions in theclassroom um because if if it can replicate a you said 80% principle but Ithink it can get pretty close I think it can it could seem almost as real as yeah I reckon itcan get like low 90s probably yeah um and I think that’s all it needs to beand plus everyone can have a unique teaching experience imagine everyonecould have their own if you had like the VR things you could have your own classexperience you can bring the tutor experience to everyone and Incredibly personalizedyeah uh and that’s one of the problems with like Ed the education system ismade as a system but not for it’s made as a one size fits all yeah and one sizedoes not fit all yeah unless it’s gloves or a hat exactly and that’s why we’re in theindustry that’s why we do this so that we can personalize you have a strong belief

The Human Element

that what’s your belief um we are social creatures we wework off energy everything is energy like we work off energy like you can tell if somebody’s upset but they lookcompletely normal you can tell they’re not so I thinkthat that is something that an AI can’t replicate it can probablyeventually kind of imitate it just like you have um I don’t know uhGoogle Gemini or Siri or something imitating like thought you know they’relike hm I don’t know that one like that’s someone’s programmed that inright but you know it’s not real you know you can you can feel that it’s notreal or are you intellectualizing thatbecause I don’t think people know that it’s not real what you mean than PE people areactually quite simple in a sense because they if if something has that behaviorright just just imagine like you have one Earth and another Earth this is typical philosophy experiment philosophymind experiment so you got one Earth and people don’t have Minds on that Earth but they doeverything um they they basically simulate our behavior on this so there’szombie Earth with a PR there existing yeah in the world andthen you’ve got this Earth where you’ve got like thoughts and feelings and experiences mhm yeahnow do you think do you believe that it’s possible to have a zombie Earth yesokay so then what’s going to be like how’s it going to be differentlike the the feelings but does itmatter depends which which Earth you ask you ask the zombie Earth they whitematter but they they will say like they can pretend it matters they can pretend they’ve got feelingsthat re Sim that requires thought no notnecessarily because if it is if you can just simulate that if all we are is likewell if there’s something extra to the idea of mind and our qualitativeexperiences then does it really matter what goes on behind it it’s like I can’ttell whether you really feel anything like logically I can’t tellokay I’m just relying on the fact that I feel something and I’m responding to theyour your behavior in a sense yeah and that allows me to haveempathy or empathize with yours yeah but that’s again that’s very logical I’m sayingthat you can pick up on other people’s energies when something is not right in aroom you can tell but even without people’s facial expressions or or likenot saying anything you can pick up on bad energy but nonverbal cues which can be simulated no I’m I II’m not talking about non-verbal cues I’m talking about just okay even if you’re blindfolded and you walk into a room you could pick up there’s somethinglike a bad energy there can you I don’t all right we’ll do that at some pointexperiment coming soon I I can yeah I pick up on everyone’s energies but I mean but we’re very different in thatregard I don’t I don’t think it is though I think it’s all non varable cues I don’t I don’t think if you went into aroom blindfolded I don’t think you could pick up on the energy in the room because we haven’t done that weneed to do that but we’re going to go find a group of unhappy people yeah put them in aroom and then and then and then walk in and then blindfold you and then walk you in and then say if you can tell whatsort of room is room a room B and Placebo room yeah Placebo room room with no one in there oh yeah exactly yeahperfect yeah so I I don’t think you would be able to tell okay I kind ofwant to prove that can now when uh data scientists they’rethey’re researching how AI understand stuff all they can say is like it seemslike it it understands because of this and this and this the behavior exhibitsright yeah but we cannot access how the AI feels or if it evenfeels we can’t I don’t think it does no but simulation of feeling gu we’re going back into but you’re just you’re justguessing that though like as in potentially it could be the case that with a certain amountof like if you’re able to replicate a new net like um that’ssimilar enough to a human then potentially aConsciousness could emerge I don’t think it’s possible because I I think this is the limit of silicon so some extent butI don’t I couldn’t I couldn’t logically conclude that I wouldn’t know and I never know like if I if I had an AI thatappeared completely conscious appeared to have moral thought appeared to have all of that appeared to understand whatI was saying I wouldn’t know that it understood or I wouldn’t know its actual feelings towards it I it’s a black boxwe come from Source God Source Universe whatever our Consciousness comes fromfrom there what we’re essentially doing is playing God we’recreating these things but that’s your assumption like where where Consciousness comes from like it couldarise from just uh organic connections like it could be could be epi phenomenalso it just it arises out of just the stuff that we’re made of andthat’s the problem of mind but then we’re all made of the same thing we’re all made of atoms we’re all made of likeStardust or whatever so an AI yeah but but you you you think that aConsciousness arises in a stone no but what makes you thinkthat why hasn’t told me I don’t know but getting blood getting blood from a stoneis a saying right yeah but you can’t tell but but to what extent could youtell that a stone is conscious versus a human like you’re you’re just relying onbehavioral cues aren’t you that that is behavioral cues yeah but everything has a vibration Stones tables people likeeverything has a certain frequency yeah but so the stone isconscious could be yeah silicon you know whatever an AI is istherefore from your perspective is is it more conscious than a stone or is it less conscious than astone you get why I’m yeah you can let us know tell us do you think AI canbecome conscious what AI versus Stone yeahversus Stone that’s the AR’s more conscious what’s more conscious stone or AI that’s that’s the question we’re going to ask remember what I was sayingabout like how like I don’t think there there’s certain animals I don’t think I’m very conslike chickens yeah chickens aren very conscious they’re just they just flap around what animals this is a we’regoing very off topic we’ll come back around to teach you in a minute I promise what go on what animals are what animals are less less consciouscows yeah cows are cows are so so dumb the thingis you’re naming animals there’s a reason why we don’t eat sentient beyeah generally speaking well no a cow can like for instance you you shoot allyou go into a field shoot a cow its mates will go what’shappening to be fair I can imagine you doing the same thing just being no but like as in you well a human would reactwith like I don’t know a or horror or something like that what’s happened like fight flight freeze yeah um stand thereyeah there’s like a ro say it was like it’s like a cow um cow looking at a afence or something like that so as in the new fence or something I don’t know right any Romanians that’s the whole sayit okay but it it’s just like it’s it’s a it’s it’s a saying that means likeit’s barely conscious of what’s going on you don’t know what’s happening rightand I’m like yeah like a cow is and it’s cuz it’s kind kind of a biganimal so you’d expect it to have like maybe a bit more some level of yeah like pigs and dogs and you know other animalsthey can they they seem to have like some sort of connection to each other or stronger connection to each other butthen cows I don’t know they’ like if you if you got any videos that disprove thisor anything like that then or anecdotes that disprove this just let us know cow related

Can AI Fully Replace Teachers?

anecdotes so I guess our thesis point of this conversation is can can AI trulyfully replace teachers and we’ve picked up on some of the points in the conversation so far mhm but what wouldyou say are there like pros and cons of each uh Isuppose I’ll start with Pros because I there’s a lot okay um reducecost I know David gab college is not probably not a good example well I meanit’s half it’s is like half the price of a lot of private scores yeah so um itwill obviously cost money because you have you have to equip students with VRheadsets that’s s that sort of thing so there’s an initial cost in setup I meanyou say that you say that you can get uh Google cardboard and put yourphone in there yeah you know that’s like10 true but I do think like toactually the closer you can get to realism the yeah you’d have to buy Imean I don’t I doubt any schore is going to buy you know 30 Vision Pros no butyou can get a met met and it’s good enough like it’s for that particular use case meta Quest would be fine it’scomparable to the vision like like it’s it’s that that that diminishing returns thing that you get so it’s like so asyou go up the price scale you’re not necessar going to get and have to balance that it begins to level off yeahso yeah you got the cost um cost savings imagine you could just okay imagine yourstudent supp you got an autistic kid in the class probably gets on quite wellwith technology potentially probably likes that right if it was at home umusually you have to pay uh someone trained in send to deliver um content tothat child but in this case you can sounds sort of unfair put goggles onhim that’s yeah and then yeah literally you can give him a personalizedexperience and give him something that he actually wants to do not deal with people which is which is fair like somepeople just don’t want to like it doesn’t mean I feel like they stillshould no but like I I can I don’t necessar agree like some some peopleneed like get overwhelmed over simulated they need they need actually something abit like that to so I can see it really improving how we approach say studentswith extra needs extra learning needs that can’t be sort of facilitatedimagine a school that has a very limited budget like you’ve that’s cheaper thanemploying someone a lot cheaper and potentially maybe more effectivecertainly more scalable like because you get a consistent product true um I don’t know the humanelement anyway yeah that you I’m sure that will come into the cons section umdata processing so like the fact that an AI can maybe take in as long as youunderstand the data and that’s probably the the con it’s like do they really theinterpretation of it yeah um if if theif the data is interpreted correctly then it can probably deliver agood lesson to the student or you know at least you know you can imag rememberwhen uh in The Simpsons but does I think there’s an episodewhere he ends up gaming like and he learns throughgaming like he learns a lot of like math concepts through it’s like a more recent episode it sounds more recent yeah yeahI don’t I don’t know I didn’t I don’t think I saw the whole episode but it was like he was actually doing really wellin school because they they personalized his learning around the idea of gamingso he was like learning maths and I can see a lot of kids gravitating towardsthat a lot like it’s not a small number um cuz they need that reward the rewardsystem reward system in place game is there anything The Simpsons haven’t haven’t done Simpsons did it certainly not Iyeah I think they’ve done most things um so if you want to look at the future I think watch basically The Simpsons umthere’s some mad stuff they’ve predicted I’m thinking the Trump thing Trump thing one of them yeah um there’sloads there’s a whole other thing let’s let’s go on to the cons let’s go on to some of thecons cons you have the personal well you’ve got the dangerthat society as a whole like this isn’t just a teaching thing if you can replace teachers then I think a lot of things goso you’re going to have a massive shift in how the economy Works essentiallybecause you can’t like if you lose 60 70% of jobs like that like it PRpretty much will I think teaching will be one of the losss to go though we’ve always said that because it’s becauseit’s so involved there’s a lot of things that are sort of it’s necessary to havea robotic element as well so Robotics and AI need to combine in a sortof close manner for it this to for teachers to be fully replaced I thinkyeah I just keep thinking of I Robot like think of all the things I teach do like like they take the kids out on likeexcursions that sort of thing you need to take it to quite a high level to like obviously youcould hire someone cheap to do do that and and and watch them in the playgroundmake sure that they’re safe yeah um robotics would need to S merge with AIbut I don’t think it’s that far off a a lot of people think it’s really far off I don’t know Imean yeah like I said it it reminds me of iroot a lot I mean um for of the kids are watchingbecause we spoke about this we’ve got a class on iroot we in year six and a lot of them don’t know thefilm because we’re just getting older but it’s a 2004 film with with um WillSmith and when you were talking about the human element and the Consciousness thing and he doesn’t trust the robot andthe robot ends up being conscious and yeah um but how do we know that yeah wecan’t we can’t open this can of there there’s something called the morex principle which is a sort of Roboticsprinciple that anything that robots do easily so for instance a robotcould lift a on ton car whatever yeah umwith relative ease humans find hard to do and then anything human and theinverse is true so anything that human can do easily a robot finds itincredibly difficult like carry an egg or something like that walking justwalking yeah yeah I’m walking um breaking an egg uh and with the rightstrength and then you know cooking yeah although I’ve seen some scary thingsshow show that they can do this Boston Dynamics is it it’s not yeah but there’sa lot of Robotics companies um now that are so let’s talk about this ethical

The Ethical Side

side of things because um he mentioned about jobs 70% of jobs yeah let’s discuss that what um cuzit seems to me like there will be a certain type of job available yeah andthat’s it like coding designing like buildingwhatever even even even robots build robots so I mean yeah but someone has to code thosemachines someone has to build those machines to begin with right so I infrastructure and coding I think Idon’t think so I think coding’s easier to replace than oh I thinkteaching is harder to replace than coding because then they’ll be able toso you know um the Mrs nug uh the seven things that make somealive biology yeah and reproduction is one of them m M Gren oh oh yeah you youdonear it different we know we did Mrs Gren they learned Mrs nug don’t know why they changed itanyway so they’ll be able to replicate with reproduce they’ve ticked off another one of those well like ifthey’re coding themselves then I was thinking about like you know for instance an AI prompter like that was aa job that people were saying that will merge out of and I think like we’ve all become AI prompts in some sense yeahthey learned back from us think about like what coding is is it’s the ability to talk to a computer and make it dothings right yeah like the language if you think about like those really oldlanguages they’re basically you’re starting talking to the computer in binary then you’re moving up the levelsyou got C++ and those kind of things and then you start to get into things likepython so things are becoming closer and closer to natural language right to whatwe use every day and I think what Jensenhang the Nvidia CEO was saying recently he said that I think in a speechrecently he was like it’s our job to make it so everyone is a programmereveryone is and and what he means by that is eventually we’ll just be able tocreate create anything just by typing something in I can just imagine in the F like fairlysoon in the future there’ll be websites where you can just go I want this create it for me and it will do it as long asyou’re very I think you still need to be fairly specific but like a like chat GPTor something like that will probably be able to go I can do that for you on some level so we can we we’re prompting aprompter to prompt a coder a coding botI wonder why meta changed their name to meta yeah I meanum so I think yeah essentially it will be the case that alot I think this is is a unique technological Revolution and it’s notit’s like it’s like the internet part too essentially it’s the same level yeah I’d say it’seven greater it’s because it can be yeah andand I’ve I’ve always thought this like as in I remember even when I was I remember I was like 14 I heard aboutum The Singularity yeah the idea that youcreate some something like humans can create something that’s able to replicate itself and create more andmore well better and better versions of itself so iterate and eventually it canreplace the thing that created it and I I do think that’s that will play that’swhere we’re going yeah I do think it will play out cuz I think the rate of improvement is pretty scary like therate at which these things yeah it’s exponential is it’s not linear and there’s also I thought what brought thisup a little bit earlier the idea of emergent abilities or emergent properties so AIresearchers they or people who create AIS in the first place and code themup they they know what they’ve put in so theyknow what they’ve programmed in but they don’t know necessarily all the thingsthat it could do because as the AI learns and builds a model of the worldin which it exists it can learn more and more things it can then do more and more things andwe might be surprised at where that goes like we we don’t know what it couldeventually do and abilities will emerge from the AI that we don’t even know are possible so what we’re talking aboutnow um or what we believe will happen is just a projection but I think it willexceed expectations um and I think it’s one of the few times when like generally I’mvery sort of skeptical about where something would go and but I think inthis case I’ve always believed it like even when I was very young I I knewthis would come I I just knew it yeah um and it’s playing out as as Ipredict yeah scary very scary so I think by like 2030 it will it’ll be furtheralong than you’d think um already in cities like San Francisco you’ve gotautonomous delivery stuff I mean they’re not amazingly good but they they theythey’ll improve and the you think about like the biggest industry in the US isdelivery and Freight um drivingessentially if that’s displaced then that’s a hug that’s a huge shift ineconomically and we have to adjust to that we we have to plan for that otherwise we’re going to be in reallybig trouble like as Society it won’t stop because it won’t stop like if onecompany does it or begins working on it the company that doesn’t will go out of business yeah it’s I think the GoogleCEO said this it’s like we have to work on it because you know you you can see it you can see it in how they’re buyingwell buying up Nvidia gpus like well they’ got they’ve got the market sharethey it’s a race it’s a race um there’s no one else to yeah whoever wins thatrace you know well it looks like Nvidia there’s no one else that’s provid welllike Nvidia I think of as the shovels they’re the shovels but there’slike a end like actually the people who create the AI will um like in Nvidiaprovides the say the platform the platform but I think the real winner will be the the software company but itwill also be this um almost it’ll be quitea a difficult race and it’ll be very Capital intensive yeah and there’s only a fewplayers that can play that game exactly and we know who they are but you never know because as people if if thingsbecome more and more open source so like um meta have started their LL projectsand it’s open source and it’s already sort of exhibiting a lot of quite high levelabilities like to the to the extent it might actually overtake something like chatum if that becomes more open source more people are able to play with it some teenager will come up with somethingsome with kids somewhere yeah we’ve we’ve kind of opened the box was it Pandora’s Bo Pandora’s Box yeah I thinkwe said this in the last episode we said like the catch out the b you can’t push it back in so um I yeah it’s not just ateacher thing obviously but I do I do think it will happen I do think that Aiand Robotics will merge some point because like AI will solve a lot ofthose robotics problems um that like for instance the like dexterity and doingthat and and I mean like it’s it’s a robot you can give it like eight handseight different it would become like the Matrix yeah basically I’m just imagining those those like crazy Creations fromThe Matrix um yeah that will be that will be what will happen and then you’llhave um and then we’ll have to re-root the whole economy but we’ll have tothink of a new way to yeah you know keep humans existingand the live um but it will be quite hard quite challenging like and I thinka lot of a lot of places will just fail like they’re not going to be able to keep up with this wait I’m thinking youokay will struggle quite a lot because we’re not really future thinking we’renot really futuristic we don’t think in that way um yeah a lot of younger cities will do better because they’ll they’llknow they’ll be there from beginning yeah yeah they’ll they’ll have that sort of mindset they’ll make it futuristicthey’ll set up their economy in a way that will work of all this stuff yeah but Ithink in the UK we got to get our act together like quickly um and startthinking about things like Ubi so Universal basic income because itwill display like it would certainly people like um likeeditors sorry H um but like even it will go further than that because of the factthat it’s generative so it will like the I’ve seen it already I’ve seen it um atthe moment it’s rubbish but yeah but been deep fakes or rubbish two years ago as well look at them nowlike yeah um things move quickly that’s why we’re doing this again and there’s huge economic incentive behind it it’sthis is the thing it’s like a lot of things are aligning it’s not just we’re on that curve it’s that there’s peoplewilling to put serious investment behind it and youknow um ultimately that will play out in the way that I’mthinking yeah and I mean it doesn’t I don’t think it necessar has to be dystopian because if you have you thinkabout kees like John Manan or kanes um Kan kan’s an economist he he kind ofenvisioned a world where like alterations became possible like a long time ago he was thinking that as peoplesurely in the future people should work less and less and less unfortunately it’s happened theother way like a lot of people are working longer than ever and more and more hours but I do think that AIpresents an opportunity in that way like we can have more Leisure Time like have alot more leisure time because we won’t be needed as much yeah it’s the incomeisn’t it people still will still need income I think it’s not just is it’s income related that’s one thing andthat’s that’s to do with rting or redesigninghow the E economic system works and I think it it will happen some point umbut it’s also about mental health I think that’s a massive thing because if you take awaypeople’s value a lot of people associate their value with work like rightly or wrongly but people need to feelneeded we’ve seen like huge increases in terms of well suicide amongst men andwomen and you’re seeing it rise quickly with women actually but we know the menthing’s been going on for a while but it’s increased quite a lot yeah um 18 to 40 isn’t it 70% off yeah and they andthe reason why you’d delete yourself is essentially because of it value yeahyeah you feel useless it was less with women because they they have intrinsic value in theworld cuz they can have children and men need get their value from providing yeahand if they’ve got no one to provide two or nothing to provide no company to provide four yeah thentheir purpose doesn’t exist anymore yeah it doesn’t seem to exist to them doesn’tseem to yeah and we’ve done a poor job of saying you know you’ve got worth like you you’re in this world you do havesome intrinsic worth um and that’s really the message that you need to somehow get across to men and PE wellHumanity across across the world um like even in this world where you don’thave you know necessary job something to do something productive you still havesomething worth you still have worth somewhere um and that’s going to be the hardest just the hardest ethical barrierto to yeah fix yeah I think it’s a practical and ethical issue um and yeahit I I don’t know maybe the can figure yeah the will probably come up with somesort of solution or be able to help us but in that regard but yeah I do thinkwe’ll we replace everything it it like it won’t have it might not happen supersuper super quickly with certain careers paths and that kind of thing I think if you’re like going into trades and stufflike that will be a while because of the you need that intersection betweenRobotics and AI that will take a long time and it will cost a lot initiallyfor a robot able to do that so you’ve got some sort of bargaining power thereso a lot of people going into those Industries will do okay but I actually think that things that we’ve consideredtraditionally to be good good careers or whatever things like coding that willbecome less important we’ve mentioned some stats so far and

Interesting Statistics

some interesting facts but here are some more that I found particularly interesting so there was a study astudy.com survey which revealed that 89% of students admitted to using chat GPC forhomework I’m surprised it’s that low actually well then those are the ones who admitted to it so the other 11% liedokay got yeah um and incidents have Arisen when studentsare wrongly accused of AI for yeah we I was talking about this yesterday with one of the students they can reverseengineer it you you can paste it in and say to the AA was this you did youcreate this or whatever yeah because it obviously it can look up the it can lookup uh backwards can’t it it doesn’t just generate stuff you can say this is what I’ve got is this from your like languagemodel yeah and you’ll be able to find out very easily but then sometimes you think I’velike I don’t know or or like yeah yeah you do sometimes right like anAI 70% of Educators believe that the use of AI in assignment constitutesplagiarism um but interestingly enough teachers use chat GPT more thanstudents yeah so I feel there’s some you know bit of H bithypocritical kind kind of but then what are the teachers using it for are they like create me 20 questions of dividingfractions with mixed numbers yeah cuz that’s probably fine yeah it’s like notit’s not like they don’t know how to do those questions themselves but then if you create a tool students will use itthey yeah it’s naturally how how it will go um but you were like it’s not toomuch of a problem people should learn how to use it and then what do you meanbecause I remember we were talking about it with Georgia and you were like ohstudents can should be learned like taught how to use it and then well the people that don’t use this stuff willfall behind yeah I mean maybe in school you w actually broaden your mind and whatever else but I guarantee the peoplethat did use it probably have better grades so like it shows the people that use itas a all will go further than the people that don’t use it yeah it’s a bit likethey did that experiment with coders and they had some they had like different groups sohigh level coders using AI high level coders not usingAI not very good coders using Ai and then not very good coders not using yeahsomething and I think the ones obviously the high level Cod is using AI like yeah blew everyone out of the water by a longway yeah and I’m sure the lowlevel people using AI did better than the people that didn’t because obviouslyyeah yeah yeah so that makes sense okay and then Quizlet so it’s quite a goodhandy nice little website where you can make flash cards that sort of thing umthey revealed the top ways Educators use AI so you’ve got research44% creating lesson plans 38% summarizing information38% is thats what I don’t know well it’s not going to add up they’re fre serviceand then generating uh classroom materials like tests and assignments37% I think that will increase like you you can see as well like over time it will increase and increase increaseincrease people use AI more and more as it becomes better and people know about it so basically saying almost40% on all across the board right what was what was the first number so 44 forlesson plans yeah so that research research yeah 38 for lesson plans yes 3838 37 so yeah yeah about 40% and I think it will rise to like 70 and then you’llhave like you’ll have to use it basically it’ll be brought into the university curriculum for pgc’s and thatsort of thing and then student what is it teachers will just be using it all all the time yeah and I mean none ofit’s surprising no it’s not surprising we like we use it all the time yeah likesometimes it really really helps you start off an idea it’s a good yeah yeahit’s definitely a good starting point um we use it for we use it quite a lot and not just for like I mean we don’t usethat much of crating questions but it’s more like it’s got better at doing that though yeah I used it on Monday butyou’ve got to prompt it correctly I was like can you give me 10 uh 10 multiplying fractions questionsthat need cancelling down for a year seven student did it do it yeah I gaveit to the year I gave it to the year five the mathematical models are getting better as well so yeah well you couldsee it type it out in code like the the weird bracket SL SL and then the graphics came in and it was like theyall popped up as look things did in latex in latex but very verysmall but but yeah it worked so basically we think that AI is

Our Opinions (We Disagree)

going to be a tall and well we think differently actually don’t we I I thinkthat it will be at all and it can’t replace a human person it can’t evenreplace the emotions you know yeah if a kid falls over and is crying the robot’snot going to be like I think it can uh I I not not in the it needs paternalmaternal like it needs that human element I think it’ll go through stageslike these are these are this the first wave of AI like think about it that way like so the question is do you EVeventually do you think it will fully replace teachers yeah I think it will replace everything like I I don’t thinkthere’s a I think what will happen as you’ve probably seen with zoom calls andthis sort of stuff I think it will attempt to replace everything and then everyone’s going to be like this ishorrible I want to go back to the office and see see people again people are the are the the thing I think if you look atwhat’s happened with Co and The Zo Zoom calls and everyone working from home people are desperate to get out againand get back in the office no they’re not like a lot of people want remote job they want not fully they want two orthree hybrid work this is the thing it be hybrid yeah I think eventually itwill be they want what people want I don’t they will matter in the long term because the factis is is there’s money in it and I think those corporate interests willpush for it and it will it’ll drive economies of scale in education like nothing else yeah if you look at andthen people like us will probably yeah get more people will get more studentsbecause they in in the short term but I think people that don’t want to be taught byrobots you know that’s in the short yeah but then like those businesses were justthat use people just become unprofitable or less profitable than they could be solike the wise thing is to adopt AI Solutions so profit will ultimatelydetermine it always comes back to that doesn’t it yeah it will it will determine where the direction of travelgoes and I think it like I think you’re underestimating how far it can takethings I know how far it can take things I think you’re underestimating this human element is way more important thanyou think it is I well no I I no I’d agree it’s veryimportant but I think it can be simulated too and I think it canalmost it’s like you’ve seen it in relationships as well it’s not just like more and more people have aigirlfriends that’s all thing like it’s yeah but it’s not real doesn’tmatter like it doesn’t itn’t I don’t think we’re it’s real or not I don’t think we’re going to agree on this um Idon’t know which side let us know which side you stand on whether you stand on John’s side or my side or you’re likesomewhere in between if you want to watch the last episode we did on AI you can click up here if you’re watching uson YouTube if you are watching us on YouTube don’t forget to like subscribe leave a comment let us know what you think about the whole cow conversationthat we had if you’re listening to us on Spotify or apple don’t forget to give us a follow and a rating that’ll be reallyuseful and we’ll see you again next monththe education Lounge podcast