0:00 – Phones when we were at school / Our experience
9:22 – The Pros and Cons
16:14 – Should Phones Be Banned?
23:30 – Attention Span
28:12 – What Are Schools Proposing
35:53 – Consumer or Creator?
40:57 – Conclusion

Phones when we were at school / Our experience

what was the first phone that you got when you were at school what’s your first smartphone what was your first phone experience my first phone experience or first phone I had yeah like a first phone experience was probably in like year six there was a Motorola released like a Coca-Cola phone oh if you remember that we’ll see if we can find some like pictures to put on screen but yeah it was black green like a green screen with black pixels little aerial and a silver Coca-Cola facia thing yeah that was so I there was only like one or two other people at school that had access to a phone so I just end up texting them cuz they’re the only ones with the phone but my first actual phone was a 3310 classic yeah those those in Sony phones well the 3310 was in year seven so went to Secondary School beg my parents for it for like a year year and a half they finally caved um yeah I’ve had a lot of different phones during my time but it’s it’s always gone let’s I’m going to run through so I had 3310 uh Nokia 6600 I think it was7210 and then I moved over to Sony Ericson you know the Walkman phones k800 k750i one that spun around and flipped one that did that and it was basically like my iPod or it’s what I used as an iPod when I didn’t want to take both of the things out with me oh yeah I I had an iPod separately I remember that iPod Classic I really missed that the greatest device it’s the best device of all time um um but yeah after after my Sony Ericson run uh up until like I it uni I think 202007 the first iPhone came out and I got my first phone in 2008 first iPhone so iPhone 3GS 4s 5s 6s and then I jumped straight to 10 11 and then I waited 3 years and got the 14 which I’m on now I probably a lot of different lot of different lot of different phones I probably had a lot of a lot more phones actually it’s just really yeah it’s just they all filler phones oh you and your filler stuff yeah so go let’s let’s go through your list I I don’t have like brand well I don’t have the exact model names but I remember I had a Motorola I think that was my first phone and it had an antenna and then I had a flip phone with an antenna I remember that we I think I had yeah one home I remember it being 3 which is quite a lot of that then you according to inflation probably that was probably the equivalent of like £300 now yeah phones I usually get were about 300 2 300 um not a thousand then I think I had an Mo I had some sort of Nokia it might have been the 7210 7210 was a little the keyboard waslike a had a just like a u design did it have a light no it was the first phone I hadwith a camera and it didn’t have an actual camera built in it was a clip on camera you clipped it underneath you took a little picture yeah it was uhyeah it was crazy I just I just remember getting a Noy phone and it had a flash and I just remember that being reallycool oh my God this is the first time this has ever happened yeah um fastforward to now yeah where your phone is your TV your internet browser yoursatnav your iPod your gaming device yeah it’s also yourphone I I to be honest like the last time when was the last time I gave someone a call like actually a callI still do that I still I do do that but like yeah so the majority of it is like texting and texting is just not a verygood form of communication there’s a lot L trans verbal cues are gone sarcasmcan’t be picked up unfortunately unfortunately uh the number of textsI’ve sent in have been like totally misinterpreted because I just there’s notone of voice behind it so you I don’t think issue yeah so we’re like we’re like the we’relike the only generation millennial generation we’re the only generation that has gone from nothing toeverything as then like live through obviously our parents have as well but um I I think we we saw the massive transtransition from like not having a device to having Aerials devices with Aerialsto yeah to not even having internet at home yeah to having desktop computer where the internet was in one place yeahum but I think because we grew up that was like during our school time we we grew up with that shift so what do you think is the issuenow what’s the problem with well we’ve got the first generationthat is what generation is it it’s generation genz genz yeah genz and the I don’t knowwhat the one underneath that is but those two generations yeah they they literally havethey’ve been brought up in a world where they know no different that’s just it is digital is just is what it is yeah Ithink though that don’t get me wrong I don’t think that that means that we’re necessarily better off beinghaving had both I think actually it might be maybe more difficult for us living in thistime compared to them because that for them it’s that all they know it’s like their reality whereas like for us it’slived in these different realities and then like for my dad who’s like aboomer just finds it super weird like so but then he’s like I’m I’m at the tailend it so doesn’t matter as much for me because he’s he’s done his he’s had hiscareer he’s had his job he’s had his life pretty much um whereas like he thinks it’s harder for us actuallybecause we’re still living it as it wereH Yeah in our generation there are some people that can’t use Tech at all yeah Ifind that and some strange but I find that strange too but maybe that’s just because we can it’s it’s interesting aswell how like different Generations they te they they text differ as well so thewell in now when we first got phones every text message we didn’t have WhatsApp or anything every every textmessage cost 10 P to send so I top up my pH with1 poundand that would be what’s that 100 messages yeah we used to we used have bundles so yeah with your minutes butthat meant you also you also had a character limit you could only fit in to an SMS text message due to the amount ofdata going through and that’s why things were shortened that’s why we like if we wereto say like mate it’ll be M8 or before would be like b and a four like or youtake out all the vowels from from your texting cuz it saves those characters which means you can get more into your message yeah because each one cost 10pso that is true but now yeah it’s all over Wi-Fi 5G yeah um Internet it’s allbasically internet messaging yeah so that was yeah that was a big changeobviously being able to I think I remember being able to send photos for the first timeand MMS yeah multimedia service whatever yeah umthat used up I think that used up like all of your no I think that used up likethree or five or 10 SMS messages yeah so I think no thing was fre text messagewas 10p and the multimedia message was like 30p or something to send apicture like all of those those 30 pixels or whatever don’t yeah yeah umyeah so it’s kind of an interesting obviously now we have literally little limit on interms of the multimedia we send receive mhm all that information’s no longer aproblem storage less of an issue um depend you do stuff likethis terabytes upon terabytes but like for many people not so much you gotcloud storage as well which is which I I think is pretty mad like if you just think about that for a second the factthat you don’t actually need your device to store things that you take on your device yeah well they’re stored on aserver Farm somewhere yeah probably um so yeah very different world it’s reallyreally developed at an incredible rate when you look back yeah ithas so phones have improved Our Lives

The Pros and Cons

immeasurably well well they’ve they’ve a lot of advantages but then there’s someobvious disadvantages I think when you yeah look at the landscape now I think there’s some obvious and some not soobvious I think the the benefits are obvious to most people every every bit of information ever at your fingertipsat all times yes which obviously could be overwhelming and could be a problem as well um I’m going to read you somesome stats right so there’s I mean there’s loads here I’m going to pick a few 20% of people wouldgo a 20% of people would go a week without shoes rather than without aphone shoes are constricting 36% of Millennials that’sus claim to look at their smartphones for personal activities for at least two hours each work day what does that meanthough as in like if you’re in your office at work you’ll look at your phone for personal reasons that’s takes up at least 2 hoursa day every month the average teenager sends roughly 3,300 messages that’s crazy when wereflect back every month y that would be like three three fourgrand that was like my four yearly Tex budget or something like that yeah mymonthly text budget was like 100 or something yeah that’s insane um 72.3% ofpeople use it on the toilet seat I mean yeah uh this one was quite quite bad umteenagers who use electronic devices for 5 hours a day have a 71% higher risk ofsuicide than those who use them for just one hour a day I mean I’m assumingthat’s like being on Instagram Tik Tok whatever else I’m assuming that’s not them like reading their Kindle book orsomething so no depends what you’re looking at 41% teenagers feel overwhelmed by the number ofnotifications that they receive each day I mean I do trying to ignore a lot of them it’skind of obvious what the problems are and I don’t think it’s just the phones I think is what you do on the phonebecause you can use it to look up stuff you can use it to write content you can use it to create blogs websites videoseducational stuff you could read on it or you could use it to Doom scroll for 5hours but my I think my dad used it in a more healthy way than like the averageteenager how how does he use it use it to read somehow he reads the telegraph on it and yeah like doing doingreading watching something on YouTube I suppose that’s fairly fairly normal butit’s not like Doom scrolling on Instagram BL the generation though isn’t it yeah exactly so I think the problemlike in the with with them in schools and with younger generation is thateven with us you’re comparing you’re you’re seeing all of your peers on these profiles on theseapps right Tik Tok Instagram whatever Snapchat but you’re seeing a filtered version a curatedversion of somebody else’s life yeah that you think is is like is like the actual life but even if you don’t thinkthat it’s like a unconscious it’s an unconscious thing yeah yeah so so even if you were you’re completely aware thatit probably it doesn’t reflect it completely it’s it’s their highlight R it’s a highlight rle they’re not goingto be like sharing videos of them seeing her at home on the toilet on the toiletwhatever but they’re not going to be sitting there just yeah in their downtime just recording that are theyyou record the things that you think are interesting that you think people are going to enjoy but other people watchingit will think of it as you’ve got a funny thing to say I don’t know no I’ve got just funny thingsin my head just just imagining like you could create a channel just someone doing really really mundane things likeI don’t know filling up petrol and that kind of thing and yeah but then who’sgoing to watch it I know maybe I should do that though the I’ll just call it the mostboring Channel ever that is that is a problem because you look at other people’s livescomparison is the thief of joy as they say h um I think it was Roosevelt saidthat the the the Rosevelt who said um comparison is the thief of Joy yeah Idefinitely think that’s the case and obviously like teenagers always makingcomparisons uh they compare their bodies to other people’s yeah they comparetheir Fai and makeup and all that stuff as well wealth success anything likethat even things like you know in an educational space they could compare their grades yeah well this what I wasgoing to go on to because as of[Music] 2020 77% of schools in America at leasthave banned phones in the classroom yeah now there’s a few ways of policing thisif not entirely possible but if you think about when we went to see Kevin Hart at the O2 mhm what did we have todo there a hand in our phone and put it into a I can’t rememberyou have to put it into a little pouch so that’s one way the guys whomake the pouches say their revenues gone up quite a lot in the last two yearsit’s all a conspiracy for these pouch people the adoption of the pouches might be a bum of a phone erct but it’s greatso this is the company y y ndr that make the phones uh IT Supplies 2,000schools double as many as in 2022 so in the last three four years their you knowrevenue’s gone up by they should just have four 5,000 times or whatever it is they should have a phone prism well thisbasically what it is but then you have people that will hand in dummy phones and keep their actualphone so it’s very hard to police and then you also don’t want them to not bring their phone in because you knowparents get worried parents want to contact their children pick up drop off all that sort of stuff there’s probably like a bigblack mark it like in in schools like internally where people have managed to get their phones in yeah and they’relike uh so how much to use 10pm message going to gobackwards so um what are your thoughts on this whole policing phone use and

Should Phones Be Banned?

score firstly do you agree it should be fully banned or do you think maybe there’s some place for it I think itwell I think phone uses in schools is probably massive problem and it probably should be banned becauseit’s just too much of a distraction it’s too addictive and I think young people use phones toomuch we all use phones too much we definitely do yeah I don’t think it’s a bad thing to to ban them a lot of peoplesay that banning it isn’t the right course of action but I just think what’s thealternative what’s well there’s like dedicated time to use it when when not to use it so I mean people in here areeven saying maybe not even have it during break time because you stop yourself actually interacting with thepeople around you yeah I think it’s isn’t that true everywhere yeah I think we shouldn’twhen we’re talking with other people it’s a distraction so it’s it’s best tonot have it at all like if if you if you share any sort of time with anyone elselike dinner time or anything like that it probably is better just to not have your phone anywhere near you during thattime like have downtime and I think the school’s a good time to actually have thatdowntime um they’ll go home anywhere and they’ll probably use their phones which isn’t Yeah well yeah yeah um they’llprobably they’re probably still using it quite a bit when when they get homethey’re texting their friends and that kind of thing MH don’t get me wrong I do think it’s a point point of it’simportant to have a device for a teenager because it’s a source of it’stheir source of connection to other people so which but it ironically makes youmore disconnected I know all these companies talk about uh connecting withpeople it’s there to connect with family and loved ones whatever but yeah yeah nono but I think it it is also it is it is also a source of connection for othersright for for teenagers to talk with their friends if they didn’t have a phone then it’s kind of difficult forthem to get in contact in the first place I mean we even when we didn’t havesmartphones you still call up your friends to meet up and that kind of thing you need some sort of level ofcommunication yeah and I think is surelyan efficient thing but it’s up to the parents and up to the school as well howmuch they police that and I don’t think it’s a bad thing planning phones I think that’s it hasgenerally good effects yeah which you’re about to talk about there’s some statistics on this uhthere are yeah I mean kind of obvious schools which ban mobile phones get better GCCgrades study finds yeah yeah I mean um kind ofobvious but but was shocking how how much better it was like one or two grades higher more than half so 52% saidthey banned phones during the school day but were kept with the student and 36%had a partial ban where phones were Bann in some places but lowed in others thegcsc results of school schools in England with an effective ban were one or two grades higher compared withschools compared with schools with a more relaxed approachthat’s like jumping from a six to a eight or a seven to a nine or even passing so a three three to five or foura fail yeah I think I think it’s it’s a big problem like I see the way thatyoung people use phones they’re just attached to them it’s an addiction wellI’ve said this before I don’t know if I’ve said it on the podcast or not but you we are essentially living like cyborgs that’s just an extension of youryour body and your brain it’s not quite yet built into peopleyeah but you do have the ability to listen to any piece of music evercreated watch any video movie ever created find any bit of information everwritten down ever created read any book ever created yeah and that’s[Music] just it’s an extension of you at this point well when you leave it at home youfeel you feel like like you’ve left part of you part of your home yeah which is kind ofscary well that shows how addicted you are I suppose to some extent it’s if ifit’s so indispensable to to your life um do you know what I went on a itwas a few years ago now I went on a holiday to Cuba I had my phone withme couldn’t use it was it liberating I I was using it for thefirst few days and then I was like why am I still taking this out I have adisposable camera with me um I have my watch for the time I can’t send any text messagesbecause there’s no signal I can’t get on the internet cuz there’s no Wi-Fi or signal can’t make phonecalls I left it in the draw for 4 days I knew it was the first few days I waslike crap where’s my oh yeah like a junky it really is like that it reallyis like that but then yeah after like day one or two I was like this is this is liberating yeah just going to read a book and sit on the beach or like gohave a dinner and not because everyone that I was with on the trip I was already with so and even if I got splitup from them couldn’t contact them so there’s no need for me to carry this around anymore it’s like when we’re inyou know when we go on our trips to Scotland it happens there as well yeahyeah you lose your second cuz you’re in the the borders and it’s very in betweenmountains yeah like even in the house there’s no wifi it is useful like don’t get me wrong there’s certain things thatI think are pretty pretty useful like you know like Google Maps something likethat when you’re sort of out out there and there is a little bit of signal you can get something I download it Offdownload yeah you have to you have to download it but and I use my phone for that but then for the majority of the time you’re not really using your phoneyou just you might use it to take some pictures but how you a lot pictures you’re kind of living you’re kind of living in the moment a bit little bitand I think until you get a phone call from work halfway up the mountain like Ican’t really deal with that I’m the top of a mountain you’re going to have to figure out yeah um there is somethingliberating about that and I think it shows the extent of our Reliance yeah ontechnology I think actually getting back into nature is a big positive of nothaving the phone what are your thoughts on this whole attention span thing do you think

Attention Span

it’s correlation or causation causation yeah although it’s very difficult Ithink I think that’s the issue is is you can’t things will correlate before youcan find the cause well causation is quite hard to map is it cuz you say okaywell maybe maybe it’s the food that we eat or something like that like there’s there’s there’s loads and loads of it’smultifaceted yeah thing so actually mapping food is a yeah hard thing mapping mapping it to causation and andsort of thinking whether it’s correlation and causation is difficult to work out and it’s difficult todisentangle yeah or detangle but there definitely is a correlation yeah I Ithink I think there is now do you think that would be the same case if it was just phones without social media I thinksocial media is the rout it’s a root cause of of mostof most of our problems you know people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates wouldn’t actually allow their kids to have thephones that they created same with the you know the Tik Tok CE CEO person theUS one well you know it’s actually based on the psychology ofgambling yeah if you think of the roul scroll as a the spinning fruit machine yeah you don’t know what’s goingto come up next oh dopamin dopam is is so when when you see that little red dot you get a dopamine H yeah same assame as using a fruit machine or or gambling you don’t know what’s going to come up next I mean for me the Red Dotdoesn’t give me do me he gives me like a oh god I’ve got to open the app to get rid of this red dot cuz it irritates meso I mean I’ve switch them off on most of my apps I actually think it might be more harmful than things like alcohol ohyeah again it’s very diff difficult to study it because it’s so proliferousevery everywhere and it’s difficult to relate your day-to-day usescientifically to um an app or something like that mhmso I think I think there’s problems with the scientific method in studying it butanecdotally I can say I feel much better when I’m just completely disconnected and allowedto forget that Instagram or whatever exists I’d rather just it not exist butit but it unfortunately does I listen to the um book no filter Instagram story ofwhere they started and like how they became MH this bers they are you know I like these books the Netflix one theNike one um and I remember getting Instagramcouple months after it got released 2012 yeah 2012 and it was literally cuzI I did graphic design so all of us in the design place and the art studios were like oh this this really cool Fphotography app has come out you know and everyone jumped on it and um and it was literally to take pictures it wasmade to display your pictures early Instagram and because the quality of thecameras in the old phones back then to 2012 no 2010 sorry would have been whatiPhone 4 maybe um because the quality of the images was so bad that’s why thefilters were put in place they made it look like an old camera or whatever else and it covered up the noise and the grain of thoseearly cameras yeah now look at it yeah well filters asthen now look at where Instagram is now we’re filtering realityit’s I I I don’t know I I I can’t think of one good thing about Instagram or umany any sort of social media I can’t think of one I mean only in terms of youcan reach communities building a business maybe yeah but then I can’t think of like for instancescrolling or shorts or anything I this is I’m this is something I’m going to come on to actually becauselater on I’m going to talk about the hamster wheel of content andbecoming either the consumer or a Creator yeah so we’re going to come onto that so schools are essentially being

What Are Schools Proposing

being given guidance on what to do so M that there should be some attempt tocontrol phone use yeah but it’s not technically hard and fast there’s nowell it’s not like illegal yet to bring your phone to school no it’s not fully banned it’s not banned um I think it wasas of as of February 19th of February 2024 the new mobile phone in schoolguidance was issued which backs head teachers in prohibiting prohibiting the use of mobile phones throughout theschool day including at break times yeah so it it’s sort of the school’s remit asto whether they they ban it outright or they allow some controlled use but theguidance on it is that generally it’s not a good thing yeah well like we said earlier two 2,000 schools in Americahave already banned it yeah and there was a study of one in Norway don’t know where it is but there was one in Norwayas well um and that proved to become U have like positive net effects so do youthink that that’s going to be brought into UK schools and then likeNationwide this is now the rule rather than leaving it up to each individual School the UK seems to like doing thatthough they like giving the school a bit more control but I think the overallimpact will be simply just because of pressure from the market essentially theschool Market as it were um in order to have your schoolat a higher level and that kind of thing there will be these sort of softpressures um that are exerted on schools and eventually they’ll sort of it willamount to the same thing essentially they will they’ll move to ban them s more strictly the school the schoolswill or the government will the schools themselves they’ll they’ll they’ll take saying it’s it’s less of a top downthing or more of a bottom up they’ll they’ll make that attempt to self regulate because simply because it’s andand I mean it’s it’s quite amazing how unanimous it will be I think and and howunanimous it has been so the majority of schools seem to besort of imposing something going that way anyway yeah yeah um I mean even when we were at school we weren’t allowed tohave our phones out in no I mean everybody did but you weren’t allowed tobut I think in practice it just it makes sense to make it quite a firm ban so thegovernment should just they should just ban it outright because in actuality that’swhat will slowly take place um yeah I don’t know I I personallydon’t think it should be fully banned throughout like I think I think um Ithink during class time probably yeah uh I mean I think during your break timeyou should be allowed to have a break from work and whatever be allowed to do what you be allowed to do what you wantto do yeah but I do agree that it would it would be better if people sped to each other and interacted with eachother because there there was a um a stat in here about how people um couldn’t even look each otherin the eye yeah well it wasn’t it was just something anecdotal someone that’ssome a head master said yeah that the pupils but that that’s doesn’t mean that’s irrelevantthey haven’t done a see that’s the thing they the effects of this are difficultto gauge because you need to actually study and the connection between phone use andthe behaviors the result and behaviors that you see yeah well we’ve got studies on the on the results of like Banningversus not Banning in terms of your GCS gr for example we said jumps up by twogrades yeah I mean that should tell you quite a lot about concentration and andthe ability to learn and whatever else um and the fact that these people that even designed and create created thesedevices and these social media networks and apps don’t allow their own kids to use it that should tell you everythingyou need to know really no I don’t think I’d ever let I kids I would not let themnear a smartphone for quite a long time buy them we’ll buy them a 3310yeah um they’d be using a dumb phone I think um but then there’s a lot ofpressure within schools well even even peer pressure peer pressure as toespecially in America I know over here we’ve got what’sapp but the whole blue bubble green bubble thing even we had inAmerica right now yeah I think it’s over 80% of teenagers have iPhones overAndroids mhm there a stupid number 80%yeah and the people that have the they cuz they don’t have what they do have WhatsApp but they don’t use it theirgroup messages take place in IM message and if you’re not a blue bubble personyou’re shunned essentially yeah yeah I mean that is changing this year because RCS is beingbrought to to iPhones have been EU doing their thing again enforcing all thisstuff but um I think that’s a good thing to be honest USBC was a good thing RCS goodthing but they’re getting too comfortable they they’ve made side loading available on the App Store nowas well which Apple didn’t want to do um so I don’t really like whenbig like Global governments dictate to what is essentially a private companyit’s like I mean we’re not the size of apple or whatever but it’s like we’re a private company if they said to us you’re no longer allowed to hand outbooklets to blah blah blah because you should be doing this you be like our company what are you doing you can’ttell us how to it’s the same principle so I don’t like that I agree that USBCand RCS and whatever was good but I don’t agree with given that much power to I think our Tech overlords need to beregulated quite quite heavily I I think they’re they’re very they’re taking theMi as it were it’s it’s the amount of control that that they have the Monopolyof power is pretty I don’t think we’ve seen anything like this for a longno they’re bigger than entire countries I think generally that’s that’s nothing’s actually been proposed yetthat’s um currently down to the schools but if they follow what’s happened inlike a school couple schools in Norway couple schools in the UK and 2,000schools in America I would see them going the same way yeah not that I necessarily agreewith a full outright ban um but worthlessly plays out I I’d agree withthe full outright ban in schools even though it might seem Draconian but Ionly see only really see bad effects like I’d say overall it’s more bad than good and you know if you can limit thatbehavior that results in that has bad bad end results then that’s probably agood thing so just before we get to the conclusion I want to talk about content

Consumer or Creator?

H yeah now Social Media stuff probably starting from Facebook if I mean if wedon’t if we don’t include the Myspace days and all that we’ll go from the rise of Facebook onwards that was like 200722008 so that’s 16 17 years ago now umwe’ve had the first wave of creators especially on YouTube they’ve had their you know MH they’ve peaked and they’vedone their thing we’re now getting another wave of creators come through um there this whole thing about whenthere’s this much content and the fight for attention you can either become theconsumer or you can become the Creator what are your thoughts on thatboth both are pretty bad to be honest um if you become the consumer of thecontent then you’re a slave to that content you’re slave to the algorithalgorithm essentially but equally if you’re a Creator you’re also a slaveto the algorithm you’ve got to make content that that is basedaround what will reach consumers and that might not necessarily mean bettercontent it might it just means that it’s tailored towards that sort of short phone short form attentiongrabbing stuff um well there’s there’ll be um you think it will come back aroundthere’ll be there’ll be like a specific Niche that or like a specific audience member audience type mhm there’ll be aspecific audience type that will resonate with what you’re talking about what you’re creating but I think overallbeing the Creator is a much better place to be than being a consumer well thebest place to be is to be the company behind it yeah Lev yeah well yes thehigher up you go yeah you can be the consumer where you’re just absorbing all this sometimes that’s on your feeds orwhatever else or you can be the Creator that creates the content for these people make a business out of it reachbigger audiences for your current business and build up something for yourself mhm and then yeah you could bethe the company or person that creates the platform in the first place andthat’s even better place to be yeah um but when you are the Creator like right we’ve been on a Creator path for couplecouple years now two three years maybe yeah um and there’s this phrase calledlike the hamster wheel of content you have to constantly find newthings to to talk about new videos to make um and is kind of draining yeah noyeah and a lot of creators aren’t it it it’s like they can look happy but deepdown they’re not yeah well I think I think it also depends on the level because if you’re at a level where you’re Outsourcing your writing you’reOutsourcing your editing you’re Outsourcing your podcast production you’re Outsourcing your um filming andeverything else then you’re just there to to deliver lines and talk to cameraand then you’re gone and you get the result ultimately you’re just running a business you well it is a businessyeah we’re not quiet that stage yet no we outsourced some of it well weoutsourced this yeah editing but that’s it everything else is worth me I have tosit there and edit all the shorts yeah and spend hours editing all the the videos that we do and then we spend timescripting scripting it yeah so it is and that’s on top of running everything elseyeah I think I do think we both enjoy this part of of the business yeah I knowI do but sometimes it can be really really draining I’ve got a back I’ve always gota back log of videos I’m working on um but I would still rather be the creatorof the content providing to Consumers then be the consumer but then you haveto consume in order to be good at creating it so you you kind of have thatyou have to have you have to be sort of plugged into what’s happening and the scene well you you’ll be both yeahultimately yeah but when you’re the when you’re the consumer you’re just the consumer yeah it’s like you you do whatwe do investing and stuff would you rather just drink Coke Zero or would you rather have some of the company yeah noI used to have this policy where I I’d like buy the stock of like the things that I’d consume but I kind of I’ve kindof gone off that a little bit because that’s how I started yeah I was like I’m really into Tech and I follow Tech newsI know that Apple are doing this and Google are doing this therefore I’m going to put money into those yeah now I invest in everything

Conclusion

so what do you think overall um me personally I think there should be like a ban but not an outrightban I’m a tech person I like I like I I always got a new phone when I was younger because I just was reallyinterested in that side of things and ultimately made me interested in what we’re doing now so it can be a goodthing I don’t think it should be in the classrooms when you’re doing like I don’t know biology chemistry maths DTwhatever you’re whatever you’re working on and as we said earlier if it isn’t your gr jump up by two on average yeah so Ithink I don’t think it should be in the classroom to that level um I think thereshould be some level of Free Will so if you want to use it a break time us abreak time um but again that’s going to be down to each individual school I knowwhen we were at school there was I I would end up infrar reading and bluetoothing songs and swapping musicand stuff or you know people used to bring in their Nintendos and like play Mario Kart together or whatever elseback in the day yeah plug their game boys together or whatever it was so it can be social it can be fun um but ifyou’re going to be on your phone just sitting there scrolling for the whole hour of lunch I don’t think but youcan’t police that can you that’s the problem no if anything I would I would banthe Tik Tok Snapchat Instagram use within school but youcan’t do that either so it’s quite nuanced that’s what that’s why I think an outright ban works better because Ido you think there should be some form of Free Will well some form of self- regulatedFree Will no I don’t think so I don’t think that like teenagers find itdifficult and just people generally find it difficult to regulate their use um but then how are they ever going tolearn if they don’t start uh I think being deweed off it oover the course of a school day is a good part of it’s a bit like how wouldyou get a Dunkey off their drugs you’ve got to you’ve got to Lim basically getrid of access the access point is where addiction and that kind of thingstarts and yeah I think overall you could just outright ban them because youcan’t police healthy use whatever I I think it it just comes down to the factthat if if you’ve got like 20 30 people in your in your school who are going touse it in a harmful manner uh it will just help everyone toban it completely but I don’t know I’m I’m I’m I don’t know I think I’m maybe alittle Draconian with this but I don’t think I think so but I don’t I don’t I don’t neily think it’s that um I thinkit would overall improve everyone’s lives so thanks again for joining usthis month if you’re watching us on YouTube let us know your thoughts on this topic in the comments below don’t forget to like And subscribe if you arelistening to us on Apple or Spotify give us a follow and a rating that would be really good and we’ll see you back hereagain nextmonth the education Lounge podcast [Music]